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MyNameIsJonas said:
I feel like Holland is the exact sort of move they should have avoided. Its basically the same outdated hire they have always made except he never won a cup in the 80's with Edmonton. Calling him an upgrade on Chia is pointless as anyone is. Also if this hire doesnt come with launching Nicholson into the sun then its really pointless. Hes the big issue and i totally buy that those two crave Babcock
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Holland is the sort of move they should have avoided....sort of. The one thing he brings with him is enough cache to do whatever the **** he wants. He might be ideologically aligned with the old boys club, but anywhere he sees the need for departure, there will be departure. As grim as this is, the way the Wings have been run for the last 5-7 years is a massive upgrade from the way the Oilers have been run. One thing Holland's Wings were good at, is drafting/developing of secondary talent to put around their studs. If you look at 2007-2016:

121st - Nyqvist
60th - Tatar
150th - Jensen
51st - Jarnkrok
141st - Mrazek
110 - Athanasiou
58th - Bertuzzi
79th - Janmark
20th - Mantha
15th - Larkin
53rd - Hronek

Now, I know he doesn't have the same scouts working for him, but their overall focus on speed and skill will pull way more talent out of the draft than whatever it is Edmonton has been doing. My only question is whether or not Connor will be willing to stick around long enough for it to matter. Hockey people will gush over this move, but Connor McDavid was like 10-11 years old the last time the Red Wings made it past the 2nd round.
 
One of Holland's biggest jobs will be finding a Dubas/McCrimmond. Its not a one man job, and Holland has a history of hiring good people. Had Nill for years, and left the Wings to Stevie Y.

But that organization is such a mess. The problems there are way deeper than who to draft with the 8th pick and how to dump Lucic. They need to rebuild the entire organization so it can actually serve the team on the ice. A guy who led an all time great organization for 20 years will be good for them, and will likely leave the organization in a better state than when he found it. Which is something no Oilers GM has done in decades.
 
MindzEye said:
Holland is the sort of move they should have avoided....sort of. The one thing he brings with him is enough cache to do whatever the **** he wants. He might be ideologically aligned with the old boys club, but anywhere he sees the need for departure, there will be departure. As grim as this is, the way the Wings have been run for the last 5-7 years is a massive upgrade from the way the Oilers have been run. One thing Holland's Wings were good at, is drafting/developing of secondary talent to put around their studs. If you look at 2007-2016:

121st - Nyqvist
60th - Tatar
150th - Jensen
51st - Jarnkrok
141st - Mrazek
110 - Athanasiou
58th - Bertuzzi
79th - Janmark
20th - Mantha
15th - Larkin
53rd - Hronek

Now, I know he doesn't have the same scouts working for him, but their overall focus on speed and skill will pull way more talent out of the draft than whatever it is Edmonton has been doing. My only question is whether or not Connor will be willing to stick around long enough for it to matter. Hockey people will gush over this move, but Connor McDavid was like 10-11 years old the last time the Red Wings made it past the 2nd round.
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Word is nicholson is getting a larger role
 
Their cap is such a freaking mess. So many guys that don't have trade value that are overpaid. Such a big job ahead of him, and that's with 2 young stars who got 100+ points.
 
MindzEye said:
My only question is whether or not Connor will be willing to stick around long enough for it to matter. Hockey people will gush over this move, but Connor McDavid was like 10-11 years old the last time the Red Wings made it past the 2nd round.
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To this point they may be looking for a known commodity to appease CMD.
 
Artnes said:
Spector threw out he may seek permission to speak to Babcock if he is hired

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MindzEye said:
Holland is the sort of move they should have avoided....sort of. The one thing he brings with him is enough cache to do whatever the **** he wants. He might be ideologically aligned with the old boys club, but anywhere he sees the need for departure, there will be departure. As grim as this is, the way the Wings have been run for the last 5-7 years is a massive upgrade from the way the Oilers have been run. One thing Holland's Wings were good at, is drafting/developing of secondary talent to put around their studs. If you look at 2007-2016:

121st - Nyqvist
60th - Tatar
150th - Jensen
51st - Jarnkrok
141st - Mrazek
110 - Athanasiou
58th - Bertuzzi
79th - Janmark
20th - Mantha
15th - Larkin
53rd - Hronek

Now, I know he doesn't have the same scouts working for him, but their overall focus on speed and skill will pull way more talent out of the draft than whatever it is Edmonton has been doing. My only question is whether or not Connor will be willing to stick around long enough for it to matter. Hockey people will gush over this move, but Connor McDavid was like 10-11 years old the last time the Red Wings made it past the 2nd round.
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They are in win desperation mode right now , this will get fugly
 
GEEMAN said:
They are in win desperation mode right now , this will get fugly
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It could. Their best bet is to flog all the crap (Gagner, Brodziak, Sekera, Russell) even if it means eating some salary to get it done and replacing them with two different player types. Young guys with strong possession numbers and a bit of skill (the Josh Leivo's of the world), and older guys with wheels who will come cheap/cheapish (Hagelin,etc) and just try to build a forward lineup with enough speed and possession ability to allow Connor and Leon to carry you.

On the blueline, skating and puck moving. Pray this Bouchard kid is ready and do your best to trade your scraps for guys who can move the puck but appear to be out of favour like Colin Miller. Basically, they have to roll the dice on a couple enigmas being what the advanced numbers suggest they are, and they need some veterans with wheels who can play a bit of hockey, push the pace, kill penalties, etc.

At the same time, you need to gamble on a 1B to play behind this shitty starter Chia signed as his final "**** you" to the organization. Something like Elliott, who hopefully can put up a .910 or better in 30-40 games. Maybe Koskinen is more 1st half Koskinen rather than 2nd half Koskinen if he's in a proper tandem and is only playing when he's running hot.
 
MindzEye said:
It could. Their best bet is to flog all the crap (Gagner, Brodziak, Sekera, Russell) even if it means eating some salary to get it done and replacing them with two different player types. Young guys with strong possession numbers and a bit of skill (the Josh Leivo's of the world), and older guys with wheels who will come cheap/cheapish (Hagelin,etc) and just try to build a forward lineup with enough speed and possession ability to allow Connor and Leon to carry you.

On the blueline, skating and puck moving. Pray this Bouchard kid is ready and do your best to trade your scraps for guys who can move the puck but appear to be out of favour like Colin Miller. Basically, they have to roll the dice on a couple enigmas being what the advanced numbers suggest they are, and they need some veterans with wheels who can play a bit of hockey, push the pace, kill penalties, etc.

At the same time, you need to gamble on a 1B to play behind this shitty starter Chia signed as his final "**** you" to the organization. Something like Elliott, who hopefully can put up a .910 or better in 30-40 games. Maybe Koskinen is more 1st half Koskinen rather than 2nd half Koskinen if he's in a proper tandem and is only playing when he's running hot.
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You nailed it

The only immediate help maybe a defensive minded structured Tippett getting a team to buy in like Trots did his miracle with the Isles.

He has to be given autonomy to flush out the old boys club that probably influenced some of their terrible decisions.

Beat Yzerman to the punch and poach some of TB’s top notch scouts and development team .

They have no nail this draft and pray Boucher is as good as advertised and becomes their Hesikanen or Makar.

They cant make any more mistakes
 
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that Koskinen contract will never cease to make me chuckle.

also love the characterization of it as a final "**** you" to the Oilers. brilliant.

oh Peter
 
JackBurton said:
I think Gretzky did not get the job because that would not have excited the fanbase enough. They needed a big name.
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all the fans want is for somebody to clean house

if mac T, howson, keith, lowe etc are still around nothing will change from a fan perspective
 
leafman101 said:
One of Holland's biggest jobs will be finding a Dubas/McCrimmond. Its not a one man job, and Holland has a history of hiring good people. Had Nill for years, and left the Wings to Stevie Y.

But that organization is such a mess. The problems there are way deeper than who to draft with the 8th pick and how to dump Lucic. They need to rebuild the entire organization so it can actually serve the team on the ice. A guy who led an all time great organization for 20 years will be good for them, and will likely leave the organization in a better state than when he found it. Which is something no Oilers GM has done in decades.
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when Kevin Lowe is the best GM you had in the last 20 years.....
 
Wayward DP said:
that Koskinen contract will never cease to make me chuckle.

also love the characterization of it as a final "**** you" to the Oilers. brilliant.

oh Peter
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the best part of that is.....it was likely not a chiapet thing...some of those other idiots in mgmt must have thought it was a good idea
 
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