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2019 Carolina Hurricanes Off Season Thread

A Ducks fan board I sampled is excited about Faulk as an addition to the PP unit even if not extended and just a rental for the season. Need a right-shot defender and have nothing in the system as an alternative.

Seem to be dreading it might be Kase as the return, even though they haven't seen much of him due to a series of concussions and a shoulder injury (torn labrum) about midway through last season. Some thinking he might be their best winger when healthy.

They also note that we are highly analytical in our approach to players whereas their org is the opposite.
 
Faulk likes to hunt and all things outdoors--brown and orange certainly are not a far reach. Now, where he goes hunting might be a struggle, but fishing? He has the Pacific!
 
cmaleski2 said:
Fleury almost certainly is the 4th PKer if Faulk is dealt and no Dman is part of the return. Gardiner and Hamilton won't be killing penalties. Fleury should be able to do it.
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I thought Fleury grew up quite a bit in the playoffs when circumstances pressed him into action. By no means perfect, but I saw an uptick in his game.
 
SlapShots said:
Faulk likes to hunt and all things outdoors--brown and orange certainly are not a far reach. Now, where he goes hunting might be a struggle, but fishing? He has the Pacific!
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It's my understanding that Faulk is a bass fisherman. Plenty of that in California. Hauling his boat that far would suck! Hunting in California is very hard. Southern California, nearly impossible.
 
Hmmmm smt don't make sense in all this Faulk trade talk. If its Faulk for Kase and/or Troy Terry, that may sort things out for our defense corps, but what about the forwards? Willy is taking time off but last I checked we still have a glut of top 6 forwards, Svechnikov, Aho, Niederreiter, Terravainen, Haula, Dzingle... assuming Necas makes it out of camp, we also have McGinn, Staal, Walmark, Martinook and Foegele to round things out. Where are Kase and/or Terry going? Ok the latter can probably play for the Checkers but what about Kase? If he plays, who isn't?
I guess I suspect that this deal may be involving more than just Faulk, if a deal is to be made. If not then it looks like they've already decided that Necas is going to get another year of grooming in the A, with serious call-up consideration if injuries hit and his play supports being called up.
Maybe I am wrong. Kase would fit better beside Staal in terms of playing style. He's a pretty fast plugger/banger with a decent shot. We're not going to drop Teuvo or Neids to play with Staal and Necas and Staal just don't sound right. Also lot of speculation about lines saying that 100% sure we're going to see one with Dzingle Haula and Necas. Ok, but then where do the rest fit? You still have a problem with the Staal line and having to drop one of Svech, Neids, Terra or Dzingle, assuming that Aho and Haula are locks for 1c and 2c.
Good problems to have. But just not seeing the logic of bringing in another forward when we have too many already. Are we also maybe trying to package a forward.... say.... McGinn?
I know the deal as speculated would address our cap situation. But it isn't the most efficient way unless Necas is playing for sure in the A this year to start the season.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
A 1 for 1 involving Faulk doesn't seem logical.
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Especially if the return is a NHL ready top 6 forward. You never want to say no to a young 20 goal scorer signed to a reasonable contract who will still be a RFA at the end, but we’re pretty full at forward, barring another trade.

I’m making some assumptions but right now, if you consider Staal to be the shutdown center, it looks like there are 7 forwards for 6 slots. Nino, Aho, Turbo, Dzingel, Haula, Necas and Svech. One of the wings, probably Turbo or Svech, will play with Staal. Can Kase play on a shutdown line? I think we’ve already assumed that Dzingel can’t. But if either of them can, that’s fine, both wings on Staal’s line are 20 goal scorers. McGinn, Foegele and Martinook can alternate on Wallmark’s wings or one of them can be traded. In the case of Martinook and McGinn, I don’t think you want a $2 million player in the pressbox; the 13th forward can be someone like Gibbons or Maenalanen, if he signs, and save $1 million against the cap to give yourself some flexibility.
 
If Faulk has to be dealt, I still would prefer a solid prospect like Troy Terry who could be stored in Charlotte to develop some more and a solid early round draft pick as the return for the same reasons mentioned above regarding no open slots up front right now. I would then use some of that extra draft pick collateral on trying to trade for Pulujurvi with no rush to get him here soon until he gets his game right playing in Finland. Those are the types of moves that solidify the not so distant future when you have an asset like Faulk to trade because of the finances of his next contract.
 
Elsker said:
I'm also seeing some speculation that Troy Terry might be the return.

Another right-shot RW/C out of University of Denver program and currently with their San Diego Gulls AHL team on the first year of his ELC at age 21.

41 games with 41 points (16-25-41) for them last season.
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Terry would make more sense to me. Carolina doesn't need another NHL salary in return for Faulk. Even if the cap math works out, they already have plenty of bodies competing for bottom 6 roles. Unless they're super excited about somebody on Anaheim's NHL roster, taking a prospect would make more sense. And the Ducks have some decent prospects.
 
Another wrinkle ... there's some Twitter reporting out there indicating that Faulk was offered an extension by the Canes after July 1 for "a substantial amount" and turned it down.

For the record, while the internet is trying to turn that into a negative, I couldn't be more thrilled to see a guy turn down a deal. We NEED to move on from Faulk if for no other reason than the long term issue of him being just so danged hard to fit into a cohesive pairing. For me Faulk has that same Eric Staal thing ... decent player that the franchise has leaned on hard for a long time, but a hard man to fit into a scheme. If, at the end of the day, the Canes end up flipping Faulk for Gardiner in the D group, I'm perfectly satisfied that they're better off in the long run.
 
If we're moving Faulk for a prospect to put in Charlotte, then unless that prospect has good potential, and now that Faulk is asking for assurance on an extension from the Ducks... he's going to milk that for sure.... so not sure if the Canes can leverage also a pick out of them... idk. I like the idea of packaging Faulk with one of our current bottom 6 for an nhl current body that fits better or has more upside and that prospect.
I still think that McGinns days are numbered so maybe we shed his salary there too in the process? How much is Kase being payed.

Part of me see how we can afford to move Faulk and that the timing is right. But all along, ever since his name has been thrown around off and on over the years in trade talk, I always hoped he'd net us a scoring winger.
 
It's just hard to fathom Faulk being the Canes highest paid defender. He's not worth it. Not to this franchise. He would have to accept an offer that slots him right in with his cohorts.
 
TheBigKahuna said:
It's just hard to fathom Faulk being the Canes highest paid defender. He's not worth it. Not to this franchise. He would have to accept an offer that slots him right in with his cohorts.
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Where he sits now is 3rd, behind Hamilton and Slavin at $4.833 million. So a modest raise is reasonable, but no more than Slavin’s $5.3 million. And we inherited Hamilton’s contract, it will be interesting to see what happens with him next offseason. Right shot dmen who can score 15-20 goals are a pretty scarce commodity.
 
Ducks fan boards seem to be resigned that it's Kase that's the return even though some don't like it. Others are okay in that they haven't seen him for a whole season in a while, including being out last season from January onward with a shoulder injury. Concussions and another physical injury seem to be the other culprits in past seasons.

Analytical darling on a per minute basis, since he hasn't had a full season in a while. They rationalize the loss by pointing to their young and rising forwards that can backfill the loss of Kase. Meanwhile, they have nothing in the system promising that's a right-shot defender and need help on the power play from the back end.

Supposedly the Canes were close on a Kase trade before (Skinner?). Maybe we bundle a forward with Faulk if not immediately extended, although seems the Ducks would be fine with a rental and/or working on the extension as the season progresses.

Faulk has leverage now since they are on his 15-team no-trade NTC. This would be the time to get the money he wants, which is reportedly in the $6M+ range. Otherwise the Canes will find some team that isn't on his 15-team list and make the best deal they can.
 
Kase has 2 years left on his deal at $2.6 million per. If he is going to be part of what comes back to the Canes in a Justin Faulk trade, the Canes really need to move out another forward as well. It doesn't make sense to add yet another $2 million+ forward to the current pile of forwards with have without a spot being opened up for them. And that spot really should NOT include banishing Necas to Charlotte before camp even opens.

Nino-Aho-Turbo
Dzingle-Haula-Necas
Foegele-Staal-Svech
McGinn-Wallmark-Martinook

Switch Svech and Turbo as you want.

Where does Kase fit into that?

Just drop Necas to Charlotte seems to be a favorite solution...Necas needs to be given a chance to make this roster. He has skills that are needed...speed, elite playmaking at that speed, and PP creativity (something we really really need) and a threat of one timers on the PP. I'm not quite willing to turn his roster spot over to Kase, who had lots of injury issues last year.

So we get rid of McGinn and Kase somehow slides into that spot? Yeah, maybe. I don;'t think the Canes are really looking at a need at forward as part of trading Faulk...they want to cut some payroll and free up some cap space. So if the get from the Ducks is Kase, then another forward has to go out somehow. Looking at that lineup, its hard to not make it McGinn.

Nino-Aho-Turbo
Dzingle-Haula-Necas
Kase?-Staal-Svech
Foegele-Wallmark-Martinook

Even doing that I think that Kase is a bit of a square peg/round hole.

Dzingle-Aho-Svech
Turbo-Haula-Necas
Nino-Staal-Kase
Foegele-Wallmark-Martinook

???
 
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TheBigKahuna said:
It's just hard to fathom Faulk being the Canes highest paid defender. He's not worth it. Not to this franchise. He would have to accept an offer that slots him right in with his cohorts.
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Well, Faulk was probably worth it in terms of being Carolina's highest paid D about 2 or 3 years ago ... but now, no way. He slots well below Dougie and Slavin and Gardiner and probably Pesce if we're talking overall value. $6 million is a stupid ask for what he can do, although free agency being what it is most years I could see some tram being that dumb.
 
On the bigger picture ... I wouldn't get too worked up about Kase or whatever else the return might be until Faulk actually agrees to the trade. You can always slot a guy in and move another guy out ... but until it's a done deal it's kind of pointless to spend much time speculating about it.
 
The Canes get so many kudos from the hockey media for how they have handled the payroll in regards to the defense core, so Faulk at $6 or $7 million a season on a new 4 or 5 year term just makes no sense whatsoever for this org. He has been a pretty good bargain over the years here but it seems like the time for a change is good for him and the org. Kase was a former seventh round steal that seems to get dinged up a lot, I'm still not convinced that he really helps what the Canes are trying to do. Take a young prospect or two off the Ducks hands, or get some more draft picks to stock up on and use a couple of those to get what you want later on this season, afterall, the goal seems to be to shed some salary and get the cap space back in line in case you need to make another move or two later on.
 
I think Faulk can get at LEAST $6m per elsewhere. Maybe a lot more. He's just not worth that to this franchise. Not today.
 
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