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organicsteroid said:
Better answers. Sorry for challenging you guys that way. But lets face it. Kadri and Franson are very, very key players for this team. And NEITHER of them have to be anywhere close to pleased with the amount of money that was left to sign them.
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Good. I don't think Subban was too pleased last year. He wanted to prove he was better.

Kadri is the same kind of guy. Not sure about Franson, but if he is the kind of player that folds like a cheap tent when he doesn't get paid then I'd be pretty happy we didn't pay him.
 
not worried about kadri. he doesn't strike me as the sort of guy who would pick security over the opportunity of cashing in. i'd bet he only wants a 1 or 2 year deal to prove that the (near) ppg year wasn't a fluke and that he's worth $6-7 per.
 
organicsteroid said:
Wow, not really addressing the point at all. Are y'all thinking that Kadri, Phaneuf and Franson are in camp and signed up? Franson is asking for 36 million over five years. How much does that leave Kadri?

I need one question answered. Is everyone here who thinks Phaneuf is a well appreciated (by MLSE) stud, stupid, or is Nonis stupid for not being able to sign Franson and Kadri? But meanwhile signing up Fraser for over a million? And signing up that guys who fights all the time?

Nonis is NOT that stupid, he assumed, wrongly that someone would give him a bit of something of an asset in return for a guy that he mistakenly thought(Phaneuf) was respected around the league.

Problem is, every GM in hockey ain't taking a guy for that price range, if he knows that the guy pusses out in a game seven. Pusses right out.

Its the only explanation for Nonis' position. Only one that makes any sense. And it IS the situation. You homers just cannot believe someone in a blue and a white suit ain't all that.
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if franson is seriously asking for $7+ per then he should be traded.
 
That's nonsense. How could he ask for that?

And traded to whom? Who the hell would pay him that?

I don't even think there are many, or any, teams that COULD pay him that, given that there are only a handful of teams with more cap space than us.
 
It's funny Teeds claims Phaneuf is worthless, well Franson is worth even less then he is if he wants 7 million per. No one in the entire NHL will pay him close to that.

And what big favour did Franson do the Leafs last season? Play for the contract he signed? He had a shit season prior. He had no bargaining power.
 
mbow30 said:
not worried about kadri. he doesn't strike me as the sort of guy who would pick security over the opportunity of cashing in. i'd bet he only wants a 1 or 2 year deal to prove that the (near) ppg year wasn't a fluke and that he's worth $6-7 per.
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The isue that does worry me is him missing training camp. You players rarely have strong seasons after missing them due to contract situations.
 
I do think that maybe they will trade Phaneuf. I don't see him as a true #1 myself, and not sure they do either when they'd need to cut a $7m check for several more years. Not when Franson has maybe emerged and Rielly may be superior to Phaneuf someday soon.

But I don't think they're trying to do it now.

I think the plan was to dump Liles and it hasn't panned out. Lose his contract and you have more than enough to sign the two guys.

And a question for Teeds. If the only thing stopping Nonis is finding the extra space to sign those guys, why hasn't he signed one of them yet? If anything, his bargaining position is strong because he can tell each one that there just isn't enough space to go around so they'll need to cut the team some slack and sign for less money. At least get one of them to bite on that proposition and then figure out what to do with the other one.
 
organicsteroid said:
....Franson has always reminded me of Robinson. A lot. Robinson wasn't great early on. But he sure became great, probably worked very hard to get there too. Hopefully Franson works just as hard.. IF he does,he is the best NHL defenceman we have for sure. Phaneuf? There is just an off switch that goes off on the guy, at the worst possible times. And Gardiner? Great offensively, but never going to scare anyone out there. Franson? Offensive, defensive and has an edge. Uhhhh, Larry?
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I like Franson, but he will never be the player Robinson was. Larry was one of the most feared/respected players ever to play the game. He almost single handedly ended the Flyers two year run at the cup when he turned the Hammer into the Human Tomato Can. Could you imagine Franson tuning up Thornton like that? I certainly can't.


organicsteroid said:
....Franson is asking for 36 million over five years....
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You do realize that's $7.2 million per year, that would make him the third highest cap hit amongst NHL defensemen, below Weber (7.9) and Suter (7.5), and above Doughty (7.0) and Chara at (6.9). Did he win the Norris trophy last year in an alternate dimension or something, otherwise his value is considerably less, especially when you consider he's an RFA who has been given a qualifying offer.

I understand you like the guy, but he really needs to prove himself more before he gets anywhere near that kind of pay raise.

$20 million over 5 years is more like it. Many people would still consider him overpaid at that salary, but like you, I like his up side.
 
you don't trade a guy like phaneuf because cody franson put a few points up on the board and had a good playoff series.

and phaneuf is as 'true' a #1 defenseman as exists on this planet.
 
I seriously doubt Franson is asking for 7 Million. IF he is, he can stay home without a paycheque. I dont see anyone taking that kind of deal for a defender with one good season under his belt.
 
If Franson thought last season was worth a payday - he would have filed for arbitration. He was likely promised a long-term deal after signing a "show-me" deal last season. The Leafs will likely have to pony up if they want to keep him around... and anyone willing to pay him north of $6mill will need to be willing to trade for such an incredible player.
 
Heh. Why are you guys listening to teeds? He just literally tried to claim that franson, a guy who has yet to play o ne season as a top-4 dman...heck, one season without being a healthy scratch.... is asking to be one of the top-5 highest paid dmen in the league

Nice sources you have there, teeds.
 
I meant to say he wants slightly more than Bogosian. What did Bogosian get? Around 5.2 million a year, so NOT 7, but way, way up there. Franson is better than Bogosian in my opinion.

And Phaneuf, in my mind is a good player, but pooched out, in the biggest game of his career. And everyone besides the blue and white homers in the NHL noticed it. So, MLSE wanted to get rid of him. Unfortunately for them, every other GM is having a hard time not wanting Toronto's first pick in 2013 for taking him off their hands.

If anyone offered a bag of pucks and a second rounder, Nonis would be making an announcement.

And ZEKE. With the way you have been Joseph Goebbelsing the Leafs stats every year to make a poor team look good, year after goddamn year, you would choke on your brown ass slurp to have contacts like mine I imagine.

Nothing personal, but dude, I am about 25 contacts ahead of you even starting. Know how many NHLers made tons of money from SOUL, BLUF and GRLT, all my deals? Fawged aboud id.
 
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And Franson is NOT a top four DMAN? C'mon, this guy is our new number one guy, its why Nonis is trying to get anything other than the bad contracts offered back, for Dion, I went to sleep in game seven, Phaneuf.
 
Teeds, people don't blame Phaneuf for game 7 like you do. It was the coach's decision to put him in that position and play him till he was dead.

It was clearly a complete team choke job, that yes, was more of a fluke than anything.

When does Phil sign in Minnesota BTW?
 
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Teeds would love this opinion peice:

Why would Toronto trade Phaneuf?
Well, the 28-year-old has only one year left on his contract before he's eligible for unrestricted free-agent status.

Phaneuf's contract has a $6.5 million cap hit, per CapGeek, and it's unlikely that his next deal will have a smaller cap hit when there are so many teams in need of a top-pairing defenseman. On the open market, he would likely be a $7 million per-year player as a top-tier defenseman in his prime.


Re-signing Phaneuf to a long-term deal worth $6.5 million or more per season doesn't make sense for Toronto when you take into account the team's stable of quality young defensemen, the number of Leafs who need new contracts in the near future and the fact that he's not someone who deserves No. 1 defenseman money.


Despite his ability to excel offensively with a powerful shot from the point and good puck-moving skills, Phaneuf is often a liability in his own end.
For starters, he's turnover prone. He led all NHL players with 53 giveaways last season and too many times he goes after the big hit instead of being properly positioned and making the responsible defensive play. A good example of this happened on the game-winning goal in Game 4 of the Leafs' first-round series vs. Boston last year.
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There are two guys on here with some NHL contacts. I have too many. MLSE is trying to get rid of Phaneuf, unfortunately the only place he is appreciated is on this forum, www.forumice.com There is no market for 6.5 bums who singlehandedly got thrown out of the crease like a baby out of bath water by a tired and exhausted Chara. Who is much older than Phaneuf.

To make matters worse for Phaneuf, Patrick Kane showed a lot more spunk in dealing with Chara than Phaneuf ever did. Bursting a hole in Chara's armour and reputation, and solidfying Phaneuf as pussy of the 2013 Stanley Cup Playoffs.

MLSE totally blames the guy, and so do I. I watched the game and I watched the last ten minutes at least ten times. Phaneuf was mostly to blame and then of course Reimer did his usual shit his drawers routine at key moments as well.

During and after the game a key MLSE executive was heard screaming at Nonis to get an NHL goaltender and get rid of the dickless Dion. So far, he has only done one of those.
 
.And Phaneuf, in my mind is a good player, but pooched out, in the biggest game of his career
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You realize Dion has played in 2 other NHL game 7's, right?

The worst part of this trash that you're peddling is that it all boils down to one play. To Dion being pushed out of the way by the biggest player in the history of the NHL while he was on the back end of a ridiculously long shift.

Dion was a stud in that series, full stop. I can't believe so many people are allowing your tripe to be a point on legitimate conversation. Franson asking 7 million per? Bullshit. Nonis willing to take trash, and worse not a single GM in the league willing to give up a 2nd rounder for Phanuef. Bullshit.

Where's your mea culpa on Lupul signing 5 years to play for Randy? Or an explanation of the Jake Horton fiasco for that matter....

You often have interesting ideas on things, if you'd simply stop with the bullshit "this is what is going on behind the curtain" bullshit, it would be readable.
 
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