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OT: American Politics

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JaysCyYoung said:
Mindz, I'm guessing that you were intelligent enough growing up, especially in a violent area that was frequented by the police very frequently, not to pull a weapon on an officer whose already jittery enough about being in a location where their presence is reviled by the residents?
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Fair enough, but Corky isn't deriding his level of intelligence, but him being a "wannabe gangbanger" (which is code for any kid from an under privileged neighbourhood with a bit of an attitude problem) carrying a weapon.

For anyone who has ever lived in a shithole neighbourhood, carrying a weapon of some sorts can be the difference between keeping your shit and walking home in your boxer shorts (happened to me when I was 16, and never again). Worst of all, you don't want it getting around that you can be punked on, so you're put in a shit situation where you either have to **** someone up or be punked on.
 
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Why is a good kid hijacking a streetcar? Sure, maybe he was thinking of turning it around, but that was a stupid way to do things if that was his goal. Sucks that they shot him, but if you're waving a knife around on a streetcar, it is good that nobody else got hurt, at least.
 
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but if you're waving a knife around on a streetcar, it is good that nobody else got hurt, at least
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Who else was he going to hurt there was no one on the streetcar and the cops were all at least 10 feet back.
 
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MindzEye said:
Fair enough, but Corky isn't deriding his level of intelligence, but him being a "wannabe gangbanger" (which is code for any kid from an under privileged neighbourhood with a bit of an attitude problem) carrying a weapon.

For anyone who has ever lived in a shithole neighbourhood, carrying a weapon of some sorts can be the difference between keeping your shit and walking home in your boxer shorts (happened to me when I was 16, and never again). Worst of all, you don't want it getting around that you can be punked on, so you're put in a shit situation where you either have to **** someone up or be punked on.
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It's one thing to carry a knife everywhere you go. It's another to pull it out and try to hijack a streetcar.
 
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MindzEye said:
Fair enough, but Corky isn't deriding his level of intelligence, but him being a "wannabe gangbanger" (which is code for any kid from an under privileged neighbourhood with a bit of an attitude problem) carrying a weapon.

For anyone who has ever lived in a shithole neighbourhood, carrying a weapon of some sorts can be the difference between keeping your shit and walking home in your boxer shorts (happened to me when I was 16, and never again). Worst of all, you don't want it getting around that you can be punked on, so you're put in a shit situation where you either have to **** someone up or be punked on.
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Fair enough. I grew up in the very trope of the white picket fence neighbourhood after my family and I moved from our old home in a middle class part of Scarborough, so my point of comparison is probably flawed.

I will say though that I knew many kids with troubled adolescent periods growing up who turned their life around and that I think every young boy with an "attitude problem" deserves that opportunity. People change so much so quickly it's hard to deny them that chance, especially one determined by economic circumstances largely out of their hands.
 
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UWHabs said:
Why is a good kid hijacking a streetcar?
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Oh, I don't buy that he was a "good" kid. But there are numerous levels of "bad". I'm obviously not condoning what the kid did, just saying that someone scoffing at him "turning himself around" or even being a decent kid at heart is ridiculous.

Sure, maybe he was thinking of turning it around, but that was a stupid way to do things if that was his goal. Sucks that they shot him, but if you're waving a knife around on a streetcar, it is good that nobody else got hurt, at least.
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I think it's extremely telling in the response here that it was one officer that fired all of the shots, and that despite the knife (a 3 inch blade? C'mon), it was a disproportionate response to the thread.
 
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UWHabs said:
It's one thing to carry a knife everywhere you go. It's another to pull it out and try to hijack a streetcar.
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Yep, not condoning what he did at all, I can just say that personally, I used to carry a bigger blade than he had on him, knuckles, and occassionally a pipe in my backpack. I never did wave them around in public though, I'm not sure what this little muppet was thinking there.
 
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MindzEye said:
I'm going to tell you to go **** yourself for anecdotal reasons. I was that kid (or something similar) at 17-18.

You really have no empathy for people who grow up in shit situations, do you?
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Every single time an incident occurs and a young person gets killed in some violent way - these stories pop up. I don't need to read this kids friend saying that he wouldn't hurt a fly. Or that he was a gentle person. Evidently not.

Some people just can't face the fact that their kid was a bag of shit.

And full marks to you for doing what I doubt many others do, or even attempt to do.
 
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corksens said:
Every single time an incident occurs and a young person gets killed in some violent way - these stories pop up. I don't need to read this kids friend saying that he wouldn't hurt a fly. Or that he was a gentle person. Evidently not.

Some people just can't face the fact that their kid was a bag of shit.

And full marks to you for doing what I doubt many others do, or even attempt to do.
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Or any time anyone dies.

Old, young.... incident, cancer, etc.

They are always the best person in the world.
 
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Ya I'm surprised people are going to such great lengths to defend the police in this one, sometimes they just make mistakes and this was probably one of those times.
 
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corksens said:
Every single time an incident occurs and a young person gets killed in some violent way - these stories pop up. I don't need to read this kids friend saying that he wouldn't hurt a fly. Or that he was a gentle person. Evidently not.

Some people just can't face the fact that their kid was a bag of shit.
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Because that's not the person they know. When I was up to all sorts of shit as a teenagers, my mum knew **** all other than I had a bit of an attitude problem. My friends who weren't in the shit with me (I had some nice white friends like you and Jays who had no concept of what growing up where I did was like), also wouldn't have had a ****ing clue had I done something stupid like steal a car and kill a family of 5.

And full marks to you for doing what I doubt many others do, or even attempt to do.
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Cheers, it's been a long road. Still, a get a little personally offended on behalf of those coming up the way I had to. It's a shit way to learn life's lessons, I think back at all the things I've done from age 15-25 that could have completely ****ed me up for life had I been caught and catch chills sometimes.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

corksens said:
Guy orders a street car to clear off with a knife...got to think he didn't want to have a tea party. There was significant danger still present.
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It's a good question though...why did only one officer fire all 9 shots?
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

corksens said:
Guy orders a street car to clear off with a knife...got to think he didn't want to have a tea party. There was significant danger still present.
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So he orders passengers clear and he was hell bent on mayhem? Seems like he might have been simply having a mental breakdown...hell Vince Li didn't get shot, there is no reason this kid had to have been....
 
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SundinsTooth said:
So he orders passengers clear and he was hell bent on mayhem? Seems like he might have been simply having a mental breakdown...hell Vince Li didn't get shot, there is no reason this kid had to have been....
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Excellent parallel....minus the decpitation and cannibalism of course.
 
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