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OT: American Politics

Habsy said:
Of course. I've said numerous times they need to tighten their security to prevent this, or worse, from happening again. The way this is being presented though is partisan rancor trying to directly link Trump and the Russians. It's no different than the birther movement. There is no clear evidence to support it.

That said, Trump did champion the birther issue so this is a little payback coming his way.
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I don't get it.

You thought hillary being investigate for 5yrs by 8 different inquiries over email security issues wasn't even enough to deal with the seriousness of that situation.

But now this actual thing that happened where russia hacked and interfered with the election is no biggie.
 
Habsy said:
I've mentioned that a couple of times already. It's so hypocritical it's laughable.

You know Clinton was involved with overthrowing Quadaffi and was involved in interfering with other countries. She gets targeted and it's a travesty.
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seriously, so you're fine with foreign countries interfering in us elections because the us has interfered in other elections?
 
What's no biggie? The hack or that it was initiated to specifically help Trump. You tell me what I should be outraged at?
 
mbow30 said:
seriously, so you're fine with foreign countries interfering in us elections because the us has interfered in other elections?
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No, but to shake my fist at the clouds would be hypocritical wouldn't it? The US and Russia have been playing this game for 70 years. Russia won this event, there'll be others. Am I to freak out then? We all knew they were behind the leaks months ago. I don't get the freak out right now.
 
To be honest I'd love to read the RNC emails if they have them. Could you imagine what was said about Trump in them?
 
I never said you should be outraged. But you were outraged by hillary's email server for some reason.

So i'd think that russia actually hacking your elections, with apparent help from inside, would raise some concerns for you. (fyi that's sarcasm - this is obviously hugely more significant)

There's even ultra trumpies on twitter that seem to have more integrity and honesty than you, and seem to actually care about their country above politics.
 
Habsy said:
Errr thinking this is something new isn't either.
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You think russia hacking both political parties, intentionally leaking damaging details on one side, and congress burying that report before the election isn't something new?
 
But they didn't hack the election. Be precise in what you're saying. They influenced public opinion by dumping emails.

Where is the proof of help from the inside?

Comparing me to Trumpies, who go to pizza parlors with guns, threaten people on twitter and do other stupid things? Well I'm glad I'm not acting like Trumpies.

I think you're confusing me understanding what has happened with not caring.
 
zeke said:
You think russia hacking both political parties, intentionally leaking damaging details on one side, and congress burying that report before the election isn't something new?
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From what I've read, there is no proof that they got RNC emails, you're making that leap that identical information was obtained.

As for burying a report? You're kidding right? That's new?

:lol
 
I don't think you know what I'm saying.

Russia maliciously dumping information in an attempt to sway public opinion isn't a good thing at all. I just believe it would have been done regardless of GOP candidate. As someone that has won and lost in business I understand the game they're playing. understanding something is not agreeing with something.

Have a good night.
 
Habsy said:
It makes sense to me considering the relationship between Clinton and Putin.

Furthermore, there is no definitive proof the Russians got anything of value from the RNC at all. When there is I'll revisit.
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There's no proof...but I'm going to go ahead and claim that it stands to reason, that there was in fact dirt available on the RNC side of the fence as well. I'd go as far to say that it would be shocking if there wasn't, considering the state of US politics.
 
MindzEye said:
There's no proof...but I'm going to go ahead and claim that it stands to reason, that there was in fact dirt available on the RNC side of the fence as well. I'd go as far to say that it would be shocking if there wasn't, considering the state of US politics.
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Quite plausible. We'll never know until they're dumped. No partisan hack will go make a statement submarining their party on a maybe. Hell they rarely do it when there's actual proof.

I would hope you'd agree with the hypocrisy of a country that meddles incessantly complaining about being meddled with.
 
The fact of the matter is that the CIA is saying that at a level of high confidence, the actions of the Russians were directed to get Trump elected. They are saying that the Russians made conscious decisions to release the information they had, in such a way that it would help the chances of Trump being elected. Let that sink in for a second.
 
BKerr said:
The fact of the matter is that the CIA is saying that at a level of high confidence, the actions of the Russians were directed to get Trump elected. They are saying that the Russians made conscious decisions to release the information they had, in such a way that it would help the chances of Trump being elected. Let that sink in for a second.
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Since you want to start all over read back a few pages.
 
Habsy said:
Quite plausible. We'll never know until they're dumped. No partisan hack will go make a statement submarining their party on a maybe. Hell they rarely do it when there's actual proof.
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The more details that come out about McConnell's involvement in the suppression of the knowledge, the more likely there is some damning shit on Trump involved.

I would hope you'd agree with the hypocrisy of a country that meddles incessantly complaining about being meddled with.
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Sure, but it doesn't make it right just because it's happening to a country that has decided other countries elections for them in the past...poetic maybe, but not right...especially considering the power of the US, highly, highly ****ing dangerous to world stability.
 
and I'm just going to throw this out as food for thought. If there is legitimate proof of Russian involvement here, as the CIA is asserting....Trump better ****ing pray that there's nothing linking him or a member of his team to the Russian actors...or...wikileaks, or any other middle man who worked this angle. Because that children, is actually treason.
 
Habsy said:
They are targeting Clinton. Clearly. What I've been disputing is this narrative the left is trying to create linking Trump with the Russians.
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The link is that Putin is a shrewd mafioso, and Trump is AN IDIOT.

Go ahead and dispute that. I'll wait.

Even if you want to suggest Trump is not that dumb, has had some success in business or whatever, I know that I bent over backwards early in the campaign trying to find some evidence, but I couldn't. Every business that he was personally involved in running, was run directly into the ditch. And even Melania Trump would admit he doesn't know anything about international affairs, diplomacy, what Putin has done or why he did it other than perhaps reading the Wikipedia page (maybe), or how to run a country.

Putin is ****ing dangerous. I still hold out hope he isn't a total loon and won't take this too far, but clearly he wanted an idiot in the White House he could manipulate and/or easily figure out how to outwit. As opposed to Hillary Clinton, who knows exactly what's been going on. Even Ted Cruz, who is many things, but not an idiot.

Please explain again why you don't find that deeply disturbing.

Unless you're suggesting you don't think Putin is dangerous?
 
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