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OT: American Politics

Daniel Horowitz @RMConservative
"Trump admin. launches global campaign to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it's still illegal to be gay."


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p.s. its 5 days into the national emergency at the border and.....nobody is doing anything about the emergency.
 
Seamus Hughes @SeamusHughes
A @gwupoe scoop: A LT in the US Coast Guard was arrested this week for drug and gun charges. It looked like a run of the mill case until the detention memo filed yesterday. He had a hit list, contacts with white supremacists, guns, and, again, was an Coastie assigned to HQ.

Osita Nwanevu @OsitaNwanevu
15 guns. Over 1,000 rounds of ammunition. And a list of individuals including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar.
 
MindzEye said:
The best thing about either Biden or Bernie is that neither of them will provide canned "politician" responses to Trump's nonsense. Hillary made two major communication mistakes in the general imo. First and most important is that she refused to speak to income inequality. Second though, and probably important enough that it could have swayed the election, was that she sounded like a politician when people were asking for something else to vote for. So while she absolutely stood on national TV and punched trump in the mouth with the Russia stuff, it was too polished, too impersonal. Biden would toy with him (his dismantling of Ryan was incredible) and Bernie would just run him over with language directed right at his base.
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Yep. HC ran like it was 1999. People don't want cookie cutters.
 
MindzEye said:
Bernie can beat Trump in a general election.
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That would be an interesting election.

Can he win? Maybe.

I’d probably lay money on him losing though.

You guys mock but a very large number of Americans are indeed afraid of the socialism word.
 
MindzEye said:
The best thing about either Biden or Bernie is that neither of them will provide canned "politician" responses to Trump's nonsense. Hillary made two major communication mistakes in the general imo. First and most important is that she refused to speak to income inequality. Second though, and probably important enough that it could have swayed the election, was that she sounded like a politician when people were asking for something else to vote for. So while she absolutely stood on national TV and punched trump in the mouth with the Russia stuff, it was too polished, too impersonal. Biden would toy with him (his dismantling of Ryan was incredible) and Bernie would just run him over with language directed right at his base.
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Biden would likely win.

Not so sure about Sanders.
 
Habsy said:
Biden would likely win.

Not so sure about Sanders.
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Everything that people claim Trump tapped into on the economic side of things, Saunders would do better. If the argument that Trump connected with the personal economic concerns of the white middle class holds any water at all, there's no argument for Bernie not grabbing that part of his base by the balls and owning it. Those are Bernie's people waiting to hear the right words.
 
Habsy said:
That would be an interesting election.

Can he win? Maybe.

I’d probably lay money on him losing though.

You guys mock but a very large number of Americans are indeed afraid of the socialism word.
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The people afraid of the word socialism weren't voting democrat anyway. There also hasn't been a politician who will stand up and passionately flip the word socialism into what it would mean functionally in the US. Socialized health care, reinvestment in public education, etc, etc. Democrats are pussies and curl up into a ball and helplessly murmur "I'm not a socialist, I swear I'm not a socialist" whenever the right starts throwing the word around. Bernie will stand out in public and whip his wang out and explain why the US needs a dose of social democracy, and poor white people will listen.

Sooner or later someone is going to be able to bridge the communications gap between popular policies that poll extremely well by themselves and the "S" word. I wouldn't bet against that person being Bernie.
 
Interesting with the field of diverse women candidates, its the old white dude who has the power to bring in the money and energize the base.
 
MindzEye said:
Sooner or later someone is going to be able to bridge the communications gap between popular policies that poll extremely well by themselves and the "S" word. I wouldn't bet against that person being Bernie.
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The universal basic income guy recently change the name to the Freedom Dividend and now its polling much better. People are stupid. Its all marketing.

All they have to do is not lean into the "S" word, which should be easy because investing in education, health care and the environment isn't socialism anyway.
 
leafman101 said:
The universal basic income guy recently change the name to the Freedom Dividend and now its polling much better. People are stupid. Its all marketing.

All they have to do is not lean into the "S" word, which should be easy because investing in education, health care and the environment isn't socialism anyway.
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ha. freedom dividend. brilliant.
 
He was on Joe Rogan's podcast recently. I am interested to see how he does in the primaries, because he sounds like a really smart guy, that is addressing the most important issues (job automation, health care, environment, prison reform, immigration, opiods/legalizing weed, student debt) and actually offering solutions. He is not a politician, just talks like a normal person, which typically wouldn't fly, but the game has obviously changed.

We've talked about it a lot here, but job loss/creation in the manufacturing sector literally won Trump the election. And its Yang's central campaign issue.
 
MindzEye said:
The best thing about either Biden or Bernie is that neither of them will provide canned "politician" responses to Trump's nonsense. Hillary made two major communication mistakes in the general imo. First and most important is that she refused to speak to income inequality. Second though, and probably important enough that it could have swayed the election, was that she sounded like a politician when people were asking for something else to vote for. So while she absolutely stood on national TV and punched trump in the mouth with the Russia stuff, it was too polished, too impersonal. Biden would toy with him (his dismantling of Ryan was incredible) and Bernie would just run him over with language directed right at his base.
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once trump gets rid of the two terms thing bill can run again!
 
So Smollett arrested for being full of shit. Looks good on the media and their consistent rush to judgment.
 
Habsy said:
So Smollett arrested for being full of shit. Looks good on the media and their consistent rush to judgment.
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Legit question though...so star of TV show gets assaulted on the street, what facts are you supposed to wait for to report on the event? It's not like the media was slow to report news as the Chicago PD became suspicious of his story.
 
It was the bullshit story of MAGA hats etc that should have given them pause. Instead they wet themselves over confirmatory bias. The Dem politicians littered Twitter without even waiting for the police report then subsequently scrambled to take posts down.

It’s the rush to judgment that keeps shooting themselves in the foot and it gives Trump ammunition. They didn’t report stuff like “he was assaulted”. No, they ran with the whole racist, white supremacy, Trumps fault angle. Again.

People wonder how Trump dupes people? Well situations like this give him ammo to claim fake news on legitimate issues. Everyone with an agenda is getting burned on this. Multiple retractions happening.

Serious question back, why help Trump this way? Unintentional surely but why not be sure first?
 
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