JaysCyYoung
Legend
It was either that or the Stalin reference but suffice it to say judges are not incorruptable nor should they be held up as paragons of virtue.
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corksens
Legend
Judges are not infallible. Suggesting that to be the case shows how blindly loyal you are to "the system".
As for rehabilitation for pedophiles and child molesters, there is no such thing. If you believe, like I do, that your sexual preference is inherent (ie, you are born gay/straight), then you have to accept that these criminals are essentially born with an attraction to children/young boys/whatever. You can't cure someone of pedophilia just like you can't cure someone of being gay.
These men need to be either locked up forever or castrated.
As for rehabilitation for pedophiles and child molesters, there is no such thing. If you believe, like I do, that your sexual preference is inherent (ie, you are born gay/straight), then you have to accept that these criminals are essentially born with an attraction to children/young boys/whatever. You can't cure someone of pedophilia just like you can't cure someone of being gay.
These men need to be either locked up forever or castrated.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
I went to school with someone whose family were natives of Kingston and worked for Correctional Services Canada. Apparently the guards at Kingston Pen. frequently "forget" to lock Bernardo's cell door.
He's been beaten up many, many times by other inmates by all accounts.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
Exactly. These people are fundamentally incurable.
This isn't like someone who happens to get drunk and get into a few fights, or even someone who robs a store. Those people can be rehabilitated and given second opportunities in life without it negatively impacting the community.
James is a serial sex offender who should have been given the dangerous offender label. Who wants to bet he'll surface three or four years from now in Thailand coaching one of their boys' teams?
SundinsTooth
Leafs Moderator
Although this sounds like a great solution, I highly doubt the facts of it. You don't just leave a cell unlocked. These doors are on a computer system that would include data loggers.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
If inmates want to get to other inmates there's very little even the best security can do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Geoghan
JohnnyHolmes
Banned
Maybe not at an old shithole like KP though. It does make for good stories around the picnic table though.
SundinsTooth
Leafs Moderator
JohnnyHolmes
Banned
Hey if a moderate moron like Olson could constantly manipulate the system to the extent that he did (requesting a trial in French and having it interpreted in to English for example) then I am pretty sure a guy like Bernardo would be lawyered up and suing somebody if his cell was being purposefully unlocked and other inmates were given access to him for the sole purpose of beating him senseless. It just makes no sense.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
Nah.
Even Bernardo wouldn't be heard by anyone.
Even Bernardo wouldn't be heard by anyone.
That is the typical response you get, what if it were you.
It is a bullshit question because our system is not based on emotion but on reason, principles and precedent. Our entire system is based on making decisions not on emotion. Evidence is often excluded if it would be too prejudicial and play solely on emotion. You cannot give someone a longer sentence just because he is icky or because people on webboards/twitter will be upset. If it happened to Count Jr, yes on a personal/emotional level I would want to kill the guy, but on a legal basis, I would accept the ruling as being what the judge thought best in all of the circumstances. Emotion should play no part in the legal system.
The system works because it doesn't do what the mob wants but what the judge thinks is best on the facts provided.
not sure any lawyer would take the case, not because it would be without merit, but because of the fear of a backlash against him/her. The mob would start camping out outside his/her office, twitter campaigns etc
It would get ugly for any lawyer with the balls to take on the case.
There hasn't been a proven case of judicial corruption in Canada that I know of, if you know different, can you post a link to said case?
JaysCyYoung
Legend
And that would be the appropriate public response. Sometimes the public should regulate the authorities rather than the inverse. Especially given the endemic levels of immorality and corruption present in public officials and especially those involved with the "justice" system. A government should be accountable to their people, not the other way around.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
Non-sequitor.
You stated judges are corruptable, shouldn't you have a basis for such a statement?
Attacking a lawyer who is suing the govt for allowing his client to be attacked in jail would be regulating authorities?
JaysCyYoung
Legend
Judges throughout history have acted in corrupt ways numerous times. I'm not going to spoonfeed you like you always seem to want. Use Google you twat.
Regulating idiocy.
The reason for an independent judiciary is that it does not have to sway with public opinion or decide things based on the mob's emotions.
I know most of you have never appeared before the courts, but some of us here do a lot. Do I agree with all decisions in my cases, of course not, but I know the judges do what they think is best and right. It isn't easy freeing the Air India bombers for lack of evidence, not easy giving James two years when probably herself, the judge was disgusted by what he did, it would be far easier to convict everyone that comes before you (the public figures if you are charged, you must be guilty, after all if you weren't guilty, you wouldn't be charged), and everyone found guilty should get the highest possible sentence) but if you want a system like that, then you can have trained seals sitting on the bench and it would be no better than the Chinese legal system where you are executed 10 minutes after your 20 minute trial.
I know most of you have never appeared before the courts, but some of us here do a lot. Do I agree with all decisions in my cases, of course not, but I know the judges do what they think is best and right. It isn't easy freeing the Air India bombers for lack of evidence, not easy giving James two years when probably herself, the judge was disgusted by what he did, it would be far easier to convict everyone that comes before you (the public figures if you are charged, you must be guilty, after all if you weren't guilty, you wouldn't be charged), and everyone found guilty should get the highest possible sentence) but if you want a system like that, then you can have trained seals sitting on the bench and it would be no better than the Chinese legal system where you are executed 10 minutes after your 20 minute trial.
Have you any evidence judges in Canada have been corrupted? If you did, I am sure you would have used your favourite source to prove the point. I stated I had no knowledge of such a case, if you have one, provide it.