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OT: The News Thread

I actually do have some first-hand experience with the judicial system. Not that it makes me qualified on a legal level but I did appear in Frontenac County Court twice as a witness to a violent assault that took place on Queen's Homecoming 2008 that almost resulted in a homicide (the victim was put into a coma that caused him brain damage) and gave testimony on three separate occasions (one of the times was beforehand to the presiding KPD inspector).
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
Have you any evidence judges in Canada have been corrupted? If you did, I am sure you would have used your favourite source to prove the point. I stated I had no knowledge of such a case, if you have one, provide it.
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There's a fundamental problem with your logic.

Absence of such behaviour does not presuppose that it is incapable of occurring. I don't have to provide any examples of it happening in Canada because (1) such allegations would be difficult to prove (2) most law enforcement and judiciary types tend to scratch each other's backs and stick to a code (and I say that as a police supporter) of silence in order to prevent punishment (3) it has frequently occurred in other states (4) you would have to prove that those in Canada are somehow infallible to falling prey to various issues that are a fundamental aspect of human nature.
 
And for the record I am only playing devil's advocate to a large degree.

I've had to stop myself in the past from resorting to the scenario that cork posed to you ("what if it was your child?") precisely because the law is set up in such a way to react impartially and without emotion to such circumstances in order to prevent biases from impacting the outcome of the case. So I do agree with you there.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
There's a fundamental problem with your logic.

Absence of such behaviour does not presuppose that it is incapable of occurring. I don't have to provide any examples of it happening in Canada because (1) such allegations would be difficult to prove (2) most law enforcement and judiciary types tend to scratch each other's backs and stick to a code (and I say that as a police supporter) of silence in order to prevent punishment (3) it has frequently occurred in other states (4) you would have to prove that those in Canada are somehow infallible to falling prey to various issues that are a fundamental aspect of human nature.
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You are better than the Donald Rumsfeld defence.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. While technically true, is hardly satisfying. You are better than that.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
And for the record I am only playing devil's advocate to a large degree.

I've had to stop myself in the past from resorting to the scenario that cork posed to you ("what if it was your child?") precisely because the law is set up in such a way to react impartially and without emotion to such circumstances in order to prevent biases from impacting the outcome of the case. So I do agree with you there.
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that question is like the "when did you stop beating your wife" kind of question. Inherently unanswerable.

You should try out for law school again though, you would make a good courtoom advocate.
 
Thanks for the kind sentiments, David.

I am considering looking at the UK or Ireland or Australia in the future. I've decided that a major lifestyle change would probably be best at this point. Plus Canada just irritates me for whatever reason. :p
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
That is the typical response you get, what if it were you.

It is a bullshit question because our system is not based on emotion but on reason, principles and precedent. Our entire system is based on making decisions not on emotion. Evidence is often excluded if it would be too prejudicial and play solely on emotion. You cannot give someone a longer sentence just because he is icky or because people on webboards/twitter will be upset. If it happened to Count Jr, yes on a personal/emotional level I would want to kill the guy, but on a legal basis, I would accept the ruling as being what the judge thought best in all of the circumstances. Emotion should play no part in the legal system.

The system works because it doesn't do what the mob wants but what the judge thinks is best on the facts provided.
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I'm not asking you to put emotion into it.

I'm asking, if someone sodomized and sexually assaulted your son, is 2 years a potentially sufficient punishment. Yes or no.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
You are better than the Donald Rumsfeld defence.

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. While technically true, is hardly satisfying. You are better than that.
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There's a wee bit of a difference between making a remark on human nature being inherently self-interested and corruptible (something that has significant precedent all over the world) and using a flimsy, unobjective comment as the basis for an invasion of a sovereign state, no?
 
corksens said:
I'm not asking you to put emotion into it.

I'm asking, if someone sodomized and sexually assaulted your son, is 2 years a potentially sufficient punishment. Yes or no.
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How is that not putting emotions into it?


That's the entire difference between "sodomized a child" and "sodomized your child".


If someone punched your girlfriend in the face, what do they deserve?

Vs.

If someone punched a woman in the face, what do they deserve?
 
Is there any potential scenario where count would be okay with a 2 year sentence if his son was molested.

It's a simple question.
 
voyager said:
I'm fairly certain that in the States, elected judges don't preside over criminal cases like this one. Though I could be mistaken.
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But they do have elected state supreme courts who are in charge of interpreting statutes which is pretty key to how they're enforced. I think you're right that the trial judge is not elected, but when the supreme court above him is, mob mentality affecting judges is still a fear, I would think. Though I suppose appeals do happen quite a while after the fact so perhaps the mob mentality would lessen.
 
corksens said:
I'm not asking you to put emotion into it.

I'm asking, if someone sodomized and sexually assaulted your son, is 2 years a potentially sufficient punishment. Yes or no.
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It is not a yes or no answer and by definition, when you added my son to the mix, it would require emotion.
 
I think Count's argument here essentially boils down to: "Don't think for yourself. Don't question authority."
 
I think this whole thing needs a little perspective added to the mix.

I am a few years younger than Fleury and Kennedy, and there is no way I would have let my coach jerk off on my feet and blow me when I was 16-17 years old.

Not a chance in hell.

Their continued relationship with the Hitmen, etc... Is just bizarre.

There are many layers to this story that none of us know about. What James did is sick, creepy, abuse of power and surely 100 other things, but what it isn't is pedophilia.
 
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