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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

This is a little off topic, but I was just killing time looking at old stats.

Check out these insane stats from Nolan Ryan's 1973 and 1974 seasons.

1973: W = 21 --- IP = 326.0 --- K = 383
1974 W = 22 --- IP = 333.0 --- K = 364
 
Jim Callis (Baseball America) on Eric Thames:

Thames' season is more impressive than his prospect status. Fully healthy after battling quadriceps injuries since the Blue Jays made him a seventh-round pick in 2008, he's hitting .290/.372/.529 and ranks sixth in the minors with 101 RBIs.

However, he's not easy to project as a regular on a big league contender. Thames' strength and power stand out, but he has an aggressive approach that leads to a lot of strikeouts, and he may not hit consistently enough to be an everyday player in the majors. His speed and defense are fringy, so his bat has to carry him.

The Blue Jays have been on a mission to add prospects since Alex Anthopoulos took over last fall. They traded Roy Halladay, spent $11.6 million on the 2010 draft and have been aggressive on the international market, paying $10 million for Cuban shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria and $2.8 million for Venezuelan righthander Adonis Cardona. Thames has boosted his stock since we rated him Toronto's 18th-best prospect in the 2010 Prospect Handbook, but that influx of talent will prevent him from moving up much in next year's book. I don't see him making our Blue Jays Top 10 and he won't crack the overall Top 100. If he keeps hitting like he has this year, he could make it to Toronto by mid-2011.
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Seattle looks so bad for trading Morrow.
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This was a foolish trade by Seattle, no question. But at least the prospect they got back is looking pretty good right now. He'd better pan out, because Morrow has gotten better and better this year for us.

From the Sunday Sun:

"Given Brandon Morrow's development, it would be easy to look at him as a steal for the Jays, but it's not quite that clear-cut. When the Jays traded Brandon League for Morrow, a third player, minor-league outfielder Johermyn Chavez was included in the deal. In his first year in the Seattle farm system, Chavez has had a breakthrough season. The 6-foot-3, 220-pound outfielder is hitting .317 with 31 homers and 93 RBIs with High Desert of the California League, an advanced class A circuit. League has had a solid season with the Mariners as one of their workhorses out of the bullpen. He's worked in 57 games, 65 innings overall, allowing 55 hits and 20 walks. He has an 8-6 record with four saves and 10 holds. His only blemish is five blown saves."
 
Chavez is good but his stats are inflated for the same reason our AAA prospects' numbers are inflated - he plays in the desert. His team has 7 guys with an ops over .900, and 2 guys pushing 1.100. He's third on his team in ops.

But he's good, and having a great year.

But this is the kind of trade I love - trading multiple quality talents for one elite-type talent. Same thing happened with the Escobar trade.

These are the kinds of moves we have to make to compete in this division.
 
JimBob said:
This is a little off topic, but I was just killing time looking at old stats.

Check out these insane stats from Nolan Ryan's 1973 and 1974 seasons.

1973: W = 21 --- IP = 326.0 --- K = 383
1974 W = 22 --- IP = 333.0 --- K = 364
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Pedro's 99 and 00 were even more impressive, imo.....two of the most impressive pitching performances in back to back seasons in baseball history, for my money.


1999: 23 W's, 2.07 ERA, 0.923 WHIP, 213.2 IP, 313 K's, 13.2 K/9, 8.46 K/BB

2000: 18 W's, 1.74 ERA, 0.737 WHIP, 217 IP, 284 K's, 11.8 K/9, 8.88 K/BB
 
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Hiroki Kuroda pitching a ... well, let's just say a very tidy ballgame into the 8th against the Phillies, with a 3-0 lead.

On Sportsnet West if anyone's interested.
 
Montana said:
Pedro's 99 and 00 were even more impressive, imo.....two of the most impressive pitching performances in back to back seasons in baseball history, for my money.


1999: 23 W's, 2.07 ERA, 0.923 WHIP, 213.2 IP, 313 K's, 13.2 K/9, 8.46 K/BB

2000: 18 W's, 1.74 ERA, 0.737 WHIP, 217 IP, 284 K's, 11.8 K/9, 8.88 K/BB
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The thing that gets me with Ryans season are the Innings pitched. Over 325IP for both those seasons. That's just insane.
 
not really all that insane. it was just a different era.


check out these seasons:


W.Wood '73: 376.2ip, 24-17, 1.06whip, 2.51era
M.Lolich '71: 371.0ip, 25-14, 1.14whip, 2.92era
S.Carlton '72: 346.2ip, 27-10, 0.99whip, 1.97era
G.Perry '72: 342.2ip, 24-16, 0.98whip, 1.92era
 
Different era or not. A starter with Ryan's stuff this day in age would NEVER be allowed to throw 330 innings. The amazing thing about Ryan (or anyone like him back in the day) is that he had a 95plus MPH fastball and threw all those innings.

Imagine Morrow doing that? His arm would fall off.
 
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