New Canadian Politics Thread

[Wayward DP]

Within political circles it’s collectively recognized as being forced to disclose something before you wanted to, when you get word a news agency is going to break it otherwise.

again, just semantics differentiating between the two tho. Especially when the original argument was he was just doing it for optics & political points.

I will readily admit that JT likely did not want to make this disclosure when he did, and did so because of the Globe story. But he did not need to say what he did in Parliament, he chose to. A similar chain of events played out on the China election interference story and he handled it differently, which backfired.

I think he's just learned from his mistake on China. which, if this thread is any indication, does appear to be paying dividends.

and as a citizen, I think it imperative we be made aware of things like this, so I do support the disclosure. the timing of it reeks of politics though, which has obviously somewhat rankled me, even if I agree with most everything else y'all are saying about it.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

Went down to check out the anti-trans protests in Vancouver today (my new office overlooks the Vancouver Art Gallery). Lots of police, and probably twice as many counter-protestors as actual protestors. And of course, some of the dumbest looking hicks in the country holding up signs like “our kids will not be groomed”, “f*ck Trudeau”, “democracy not dictatorship”.

They are not sending their best. Or… maybe they are?

You had to know that there would be an intersection between these anti-trans protesters and the Klownvoy. I've watched footage from these protests around the country (there was a sizeable one here in Edmonton) and, as expected, you didn't need to look too hard to find someone waving a Fuck Trudeau flag.

 

[JackBurton]

If you're a believer women shouldn't vote or drive cars, please don't yell that trans people should not have rights. It's ridiculous and hypocritical.

 

[manny]

You had to know that there would be an intersection between these anti-trans protesters and the Klownvoy. I've watched footage from these protests around the country (there was a sizeable one here in Edmonton) and, as expected, you didn't need to look too hard to find someone waving a Fuck Trudeau flag.

Yeah, that wasn’t a shock. Lots of these dummies probably just go around protesting “woke” causes whenever they can. Also wouldn’t be surprised if many of them don’t have jobs and are on some kind of government assistance.

 

[manny]

If you're a believer women shouldn't vote or drive cars, please don't yell that trans people should have rights. It's ridiculous and hypocritical.

I think most of the visibly Muslim protestors were likely on the side of there are only two genders. Of course there are progressive Muslims as well.

 

[Wayward DP]

I think most of the visibly Muslim protestors were likely on the side of there are only two genders. Of course there are progressive Muslims as well.

that was certainly the case in Halifax

 

[LeafGm]

I think most of the visibly Muslim protestors were likely on the side of there are only two genders. Of course there are progressive Muslims as well.

Fundamentalist Islam can be weirdly flexible about trans issues though. Like in Iran for example, the government officially recognizes trans people and will even pay for sex-assignment surgery and provide updated official documents with that person’s new gender.

But then homosexuality is still officially no bueno. And you will not be recognized as trans if you don’t want to have sex assignment surgery.

 

[Wayward DP]

 

[Wayward DP]

I suppose this is better than supporting the protests...

 

[Wayward DP]

 

[Wayward DP]

 

[hockeylover]

Guy is such a turd.

 

[Wayward DP]

it is the right decision. good news for the greenbelt, but also good news for Dougie's re-election prospects.

 

[manny]

Seems likely that the developers who owned billions of dollars worth of land yesterday would take this to court, no? Not that they can get the decision reversed, but could be some significant damages.

 

[LeafGm]

Seems likely that the developers who owned billions of dollars worth of land yesterday would take this to court, no? Not that they can get the decision reversed, but could be some significant damages.

That’ll probably be the end result, yes. Developer buddies take the Ontario government to court and taxpayers spend untold millions fighting the suit.

And in the end developer buddies will get fat payouts as damages (again coming out of the public purse), and/or they’ll be allowed to keep their ill-gotten land.

 

[Wayward DP]

Seems likely that the developers who owned billions of dollars worth of land yesterday would take this to court, no? Not that they can get the decision reversed, but could be some significant damages.

what would the grounds be though? like they could try to JR the decision to flip flop, but given all the evidence we know about the process to approve the original swap, pretty sure their about face is gonna be found to be very reasonable

 

[MindzEye]

On account of rich people losing money, which isn't allowed.

 

[manny]

what would the grounds be though? like they could try to JR the decision to flip flop, but given all the evidence we know about the process to approve the original swap, pretty sure their about face is gonna be found to be very reasonable

Expropriation?

 

[Wayward DP]

Expropriation?

they're not gonna take the land from them are they? just undo whatever zoning/regulatory mechanism they had implemented? I honestly don't know, but that's my first guess. if they expropriate the land, then sure.

 

[manny]

they're not gonna take the land from them are they? just undo whatever zoning/regulatory mechanism they had implemented? I honestly don't know, but that's my first guess. if they expropriate the land, then sure.

I don’t think you actually have to take it for it to constitute expropriation. If a government act makes as asset worthless, then I believe you can claim it has been de facto expropriated.

Not my area but I heard some people talking about this case a while back:

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www.bennettjones.com

HRM is the respondent there!