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OT: American Politics

Re: OT: Canadian Politics

If that's true, then the ninth bullet becomes necessary to subdue a threat who - even after being fired upon - still hadn't relinquished their weapon.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

HabsAddict said:
ADULT CONTENT. EXTREME VIOLENCE. DEATH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG6OTyjzAgg

Anyone who claims that the kid was an imminent threat to the cops standing 20-30 feet away needs to have their head examined.
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You realize this is an adult forum? That video is hilariously tame compared to the military videos out there.

Also, my ex-girlfriend lives literally thirty seconds by foot from that intersection.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

UWHabs said:
Given they were firing into a streetcar, I wouldn't be shocked if 8/9 bullets actually missed him.
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People who have never fired a weapon assume it's significantly easier to hit a target accurately than it really is in real life. Soldiers in Vietnam expended an average of 50,000 rounds per enemy combatant kill I believe.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Given they were firing into a streetcar, I wouldn't be shocked if 8/9 bullets actually missed him.
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Every report I've read says multiple gun shot wounds, including him crumpling to the ground after the first round of 3. I'd love to know how he was a threat shot, and on the ground surrounded by 23 cops.
 
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HabsAddict said:
ADULT CONTENT. EXTREME VIOLENCE. DEATH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG6OTyjzAgg

Anyone who claims that the kid was an imminent threat to the cops standing 20-30 feet away needs to have their head examined.
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What part of that infamous study posted by voyager earlier did you not understand? A police officer can be assailed upon over a 21 foot distance in under 1.5 seconds. Try placing an accurate take-down shot against an armed opponent while under significant duress and in the dark.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

TimHorton said:
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So why bring up the number of bullets? Your problem clearly isn't the fact that he was shot multiple times, it's the fact that he was shot at all.

But, I suspect, this is the case for most of the people who use the number of bullets as a proof point. If you're opposed to the fact that the guy was shot, fine. But raising the number of bullets isn't an argument, it's fairly blatant sensationalism.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

They're trying to make it look like some cold-blooded police murder. A higher bullet count is more shocking as it illustrates additional malice on the part of the officers' part.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Of course the number of bullets matters. The fact they fired 9 is outrageous. Especially with a 6 second pause after firing 3 into him.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

JaysCyYoung said:
They're trying to make it look like some cold-blooded police murder. A higher bullet count is more shocking as it illustrates additional malice on the part of the officers' part.
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I don't think it indicateds malice at all, just incompetence in those types of situations...which is cool and all except for the fact that we give them guns and a ton of latitude when they use them.

Timmy and I have a close friend who has fired his gun in the line of duty, he gets to fire a handful of rounds a year as part of his training, was sliced by a razor on his neck and bleeding out when he put 3 rounds centre mass in the perp. Our boy was lucky though, we don't train our police officers nearly enough to handle those types of situations when their weapons are necessary. Frankly, increased training would help weed out the guys who just can't do it psychologically.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

If you don't hit the target, you need to fire another round. If the target is still moving and posing a threat, you need to fire another round. If the target does not drop their weapon, you need to fire another round.

The number of shots is largely inconsequential if a threat remains present.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Why is it outrageous?

It had no impact on the outcome of the situation. The armed assailant is dead.

It doesn't change the justification of the use of force by the police. The armed assailant refused to disarm.

It has no impact on any of the important facts of the case. All repeating "nine bullets" does is add to the sensationalism of the story. Whether he was shot 3, 5 , 9 or 19 times really isn't important.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

MindzEye said:
I don't think it indicateds malice at all, just incompetence in those types of situations...which is cool and all except for the fact that we give them guns and a ton of latitude when they use them.

Timmy and I have a close friend who has fired his gun in the line of duty, he gets to fire a handful of rounds a year as part of his training, was sliced by a razor on his neck and bleeding out when he put 3 rounds centre mass in the perp. Our boy was lucky though, we don't train our police officers nearly enough to handle those types of situations when their weapons are necessary. Frankly, increased training would help weed out the guys who just can't do it psychologically.
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Agreed on all fronts there.

It's the same reason I find the concept of vigilante justice in the United States laughably naive. You have these numerous documented instances of professional soldiers, including special ops guys, who freeze or miss their target wildly during combat, and they want Joe the overweight former high school football player with an authority complex, to try and help out a potentially lethal situation with innocent bystanders all around?

It's asinine.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Whether he was shot 3, 5 , 9 or 19 times really isn't important
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Are you insane? Of course the amount of bullets has a bearing on this. Just as tasing the kid after you shot him multiple times has a bearing on things. That's why we have reasonable force laws and police aren't firing off uzi's. The fact that one officer, out of 23 on-site let loose 9 bullets while no one else felt the need to even fire once is extremely important. It points to lack or training, malice, or a combination of both.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Obligatory "He was turning his life around" story in the Red Star today.

Hilarious. The guy was, by all accounts, a young wannabe gangbanger. Carried a knife everywhere he went.

But he was a "sweet, respectful boy". My ass.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

corksens said:
Obligatory "He was turning his life around" story in the Red Star today.

Hilarious. The guy was, by all accounts, a young wannabe gangbanger. Carried a knife everywhere he went.

But he was a "sweet, respectful boy". My ass.
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I went to high school with a lot of these Middle Eastern immigrant kids and it's actually kind of hilarious how so much of their concept of what it's like to be a normal North American kid is influenced by popular entertainment in the form of hip hop and gangster culture.

They literally are trying to emulate things like 50 Cent and Ludacris music videos because that was their primary point of reference before coming over here as to how youngsters acted.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Obligatory "He was turning his life around" story in the Red Star today.

Hilarious. The guy was, by all accounts, a young wannabe gangbanger. Carried a knife everywhere he went.

But he was a "sweet, respectful boy". My ass
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Probably should have shot him a few more times then.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

corksens said:
Obligatory "He was turning his life around" story in the Red Star today.

Hilarious. The guy was, by all accounts, a young wannabe gangbanger. Carried a knife everywhere he went.

But he was a "sweet, respectful boy". My ass.
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I'm going to tell you to go **** yourself for anecdotal reasons. I was that kid (or something similar) at 17-18.

You really have no empathy for people who grow up in shit situations, do you?
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Mindz, I'm guessing that you were intelligent enough growing up, especially in an impoverished and violent area that was frequented by the police very frequently, not to pull a weapon on an officer whose already jittery enough about being in a location where their presence is reviled by the residents?
 
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