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OT: WWE/MMA/Boxing Thread

MindzEye said:
The exercises are imo, are more similar than you think. The point of both is to learn to stay tight and let your hands go at a difficult to hit target. The cards are definitely far more unpredictable (but far slower and requiring less precision to make contact with in the "right" way), but the way to succeed at both exercises is by using the same skills. Clean footwork, fast hands. Loma (for obvious reasons) crushes his by staying in stance and letting his hands do the work. Conor flops at his (also for obvious reasons) by repeatedly coming out of his stance and flailing instead of using his feet to keep his upper body as square as possible to his (unpredictable) target. If you're looking for a boxing technique breakdown between an elite boxer and a meh amateur level boxer, it's a pretty decent display. Conor has so much muscle memory built up in a certain way of moving, and striking that when a situation becomes unpredictable for him, his boxing training will break down and he'll revert to the striking style he's so familiar with. That will be very no bueno against Floyd. Very, very no bueno.
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Unless he actually connects with one.
 
Conor definitely has Floyd beat in the shit talk category. Floyd doesn't have the intellect or wit to come back with anything. For the first time in Floyds career he's been shown up in the shit-talk department. Not that i think being rattled during shit talk will have much effect on the fight itself but its interesting to see. The feels get hurt pretty bad when someone tells you they can kill you in 20 seconds looking directly in the eye and you know its true. McGregor is a superior athlete at this point as a whole. That plays a part in personal confidence that can't be measured on a stat sheet or through workout videos.

Floyd being 40 is about the only thing i can think of in this fight that goes Conor's way. If Floyd's abilities to move quickly have deteriorated we might see the upset. I don't see it but at 40 you never know how the body works.

I'm tempted to put money on McGregor just for the sheer lunacy that would ensue if he did win.
 
Floyd being 40 is about the only thing i can think of in this fight that goes Conor's way. If Floyd's abilities to move quickly have deteriorated we might see the upset. I don't see it but at 40 you never know how the body works.
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I figure that (though Floyd looks good in training by all accounts) and Floyd's shitty, soft hands are Conor's best hope

I'm tempted to put money on McGregor just for the sheer lunacy that would ensue if he did win.
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The odds aren't there for it imo. Macgregor at +350 isn't nearly enough for me....but I think it's probably more than enough for a lot of Macgregor fans, and the bookmakers are going to rake because of it.
 
MindzEye said:
The exercises are imo, are more similar than you think. The point of both is to learn to stay tight and let your hands go at a difficult to hit target. The cards are definitely far more unpredictable (but far slower and requiring less precision to make contact with in the "right" way), but the way to succeed at both exercises is by using the same skills. Clean footwork, fast hands. Loma (for obvious reasons) crushes his by staying in stance and letting his hands do the work. Conor flops at his (also for obvious reasons) by repeatedly coming out of his stance and flailing instead of using his feet to keep his upper body as square as possible to his (unpredictable) target. If you're looking for a boxing technique breakdown between an elite boxer and a meh amateur level boxer, it's a pretty decent display. Conor has so much muscle memory built up in a certain way of moving, and striking that when a situation becomes unpredictable for him, his boxing training will break down and he'll revert to the striking style he's so familiar with. That will be very no bueno against Floyd. Very, very no bueno.
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I guess my point was more that I don't think we can compare the two based on these different exercises. I assume that if Loma was trying the card exercise he'd do better than Conor... but I'm just not sure how much better and what it would look like when he was doing it. They may train the same skills... but I don't know what the best "card exercise" guy in the world looks like doing it.

I don't think anyone is going to look as smooth at the card exercise as they would at the ball one.
 
Habspatrol said:
I guess my point was more that I don't think we can compare the two based on these different exercises. I assume that if Loma was trying the card exercise he'd do better than Conor... but I'm just not sure how much better and what it would look like when he was doing it. They may train the same skills... but I don't know what the best "card exercise" guy in the world looks like doing it.

I don't think anyone is going to look as smooth at the card exercise as they would at the ball one.
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Fair enough. My intent wasn't to show how smooth Loma looked with the ball and then laugh at how shit Conor looked like it was a direct comparison. My intention was to point out how Loma stayed quiet and smooth through the exercise, where Conor simply didn't look like a boxer and broke into MMA style movement patterns almost immediately into the exercise.
 
MindzEye said:
I figure that (though Floyd looks good in training by all accounts) and Floyd's shitty, soft hands are Conor's best hope



The odds aren't there for it imo. Macgregor at +350 isn't nearly enough for me....but I think it's probably more than enough for a lot of Macgregor fans, and the bookmakers are going to rake because of it.
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First odds posted had him over a 1000. If you didnt get in then its not worth it

Might be a prop worth throwing 50 down on though. There was one I saw listed for a KO in the first 4 rounds for +900 last week
 
Lesnar looked like shit against Mark Hunt. He won, but he looked like shit, and can't pass a drug test without Dana pulling some goofy rules out of his ass.

I want to see how Jonesy looks against DC, but if he hasn't missed a beat and he's still the creative genius of a murderer that he's always been, I think he would ****ing eat a diminished, aged Lesnar.
 
Lesnar has to re-enter the USADA testing... something that was rumored, but has been denied by the USADA.

He then has to be in the testing for 6 months clean, and serve out the rest of his one-year suspension. He has only served 6 months of the suspension, and it is currently suspended while he refuses to be in the testing program.

He can't fight until that happens.
 
Honestly...good. I'm not that interested in seeing a non juiced Brock Lesnar, and a non juiced Brock Lesnar is like asking to see a unicorn run in the Kentucky Derby.
 
MindzEye said:
Lesnar looked like shit against Mark Hunt. He won, but he looked like shit, and can't pass a drug test without Dana pulling some goofy rules out of his ass.

I want to see how Jonesy looks against DC, but if he hasn't missed a beat and he's still the creative genius of a murderer that he's always been, I think he would ****ing eat a diminished, aged Lesnar.
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Jones will walk through Cormier. The guy used to fight after going on a weekend long coke binges the weekend before his fight and still made guys look silly.

Now he seems to have cleaned his act up and it taking training serious Cormier won't have much for him



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Agreed. The technical ability is not there

It's rare for fighters to be able to compete at that age without some serious technical skill

Leaner relies on brut strength and size
 
Artnes said:
Agreed. The technical ability is not there

It's rare for fighters to be able to compete at that age without some serious technical skill
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Mark Hunt, Couture, Ruas, Coleman...are pretty much the only guys I can think of who were even relevant after 40. All MMA (and associated discipline) lifers. Eat, drank, and slept the fight game. Lesnar is a monster but he's been a part time fighter since he left amateur wrestling almost 20 years ago.

Leaner relies on brut strength and size
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Even worse, he relies on pure athleticism in the explosiveness of his takedown shot. His stand up game has always been turrible. It's his ridiculous ability with takedowns that made him special.
 
Jones-Cormier tonight.

I've got Jonesy in a punishing, unanimous decision. Assuming of course that cocaine fueled hooker parties aren't what made him great in the first place.

Jones-Cormier (Decision)
Woodley-Maia (KO)
Cyborg-Evinger (KO)
Lawler-Cowboy (KO)
Manuwa-Oezdemir (KO)

Yeah...I think there are going to be ****ing fireworks tonight. Though the Woodley-Maia fight could easily be the most boring KO in MMA history with Maia chasing Woodley around trying to get the take down for a few rounds and finally getting one punched.

This is a top 5 card all time though, ****ing fantastic from top to bottom, even an entertaining looking woman's fight.
 
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