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OT: American Politics

There's a bot that turns Trumps twitter statements into official Presidential statements. History will not be kind to this prez.

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Hoss said:
Energy independence is the key.

Trump's globe hold, and his removal from the paris accord, is just another cog in keeping the Saudi's in complete control over everything with oil.

If the US and europe actually went full bore with solar and wind, the oil that they produce would be enough to keep industry going and the Saudi's would be broke, and they ****ing know it.

Throw a whole solar farm in the new mexico and arizona dessert and half of the country's electricity problems would be solved.
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Meanwhile, Wall St is licking its chops at bringing Aramco (Saudi Oil) public in 2018. The company will be valued at around $2 trillion -- biggest market cap in the world.
 
MindzEye said:
Looking at that chart, I guess what concerns me is that after the initial "what the **** did we just do" wore off from some of the independents, it seems like his base of support (about 38-40%) hasn't really ****ing flinched. Which kind of suggests that there's really nothing in the short or medium term that this useless **** can do to shake their support. It's quasi religious at this point, they're so convinced in the righteousness of making liberals smell what Trump is shitting in their mouths that nothing he does will shake their support.
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The more interesting charts are the ones that are more sophisticated than just approve/don't approve.

When you get 4 options

strongly approve
somewhat approve
somewhat disapprove
Strongly disapprove


the numbers from strongly approve are shifting into somewhat approve. There is a shift happening and while they arent abandoning donnie, they are not as feverent in their support either.
 
MindzEye said:
Yep...people want real change regarding terrorism? Start holding politicians feet to the fire on our national relationships with the Saudis and scream from the highest hill about energy independence of one form or another. The sooner we make it very uncomfortable for politicians to be seen dealing with the Saudis in any real way, the sooner that a mixture of policy and technology will make them useless as partners unless they get their shit together. Which they won't/can't.
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Ever watch Spider-Man 2?

The scene where Spider-Man destroyed that Sun making machine and instead of stopping it continues to grow suck everything around it in? Doc octopus says it's self sustaining now and cannot be stopped?

Why bring this up? Because even if you take down the Saudis and cut funding to wahabism I think it might be too late for that. There are a couple of generations out there now willing to bring in disenfranchised mentally unstable young men teaching them how people in the West are infidels. This industry of terror, am afraid, no longer needs the Saudis to bankroll them.
 
BKerr said:
The more interesting charts are the ones that are more sophisticated than just approve/don't approve.

When you get 4 options

strongly approve
somewhat approve
somewhat disapprove
Strongly disapprove


the numbers from strongly approve are shifting into somewhat approve. There is a shift happening and while they arent abandoning donnie, they are not as feverent in their support either.
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Fair enough, though I think there's a much bigger bridge to cross from approve to disapprove than from strongly to somewhat. I'm not optimistic at the ability of the trumpanzees to change their minds in the face of any evidence.
 
Altair said:
Ever watch Spider-Man 2?

The scene where Spider-Man destroyed that Sun making machine and instead of stopping it continues to grow suck everything around it in? Doc octopus says it's self sustaining now and cannot be stopped?

Why bring this up? Because even if you take down the Saudis and cut funding to wahabism I think it might be too late for that. There are a couple of generations out there now willing to bring in disenfranchised mentally unstable young men teaching them how people in the West are infidels. This industry of terror, am afraid, no longer needs the Saudis to bankroll them.
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Oh, it won't stop terrorism on it's own, but it's a necessary step in the process. Once the funding is cut off, it gets a lot easier to deal with problems at the mosque level with community outreach, etc. It becomes a lot easier to replace dangerous Imam's with more westernized voices.

I think you're underestimated how important the money is to the Wahhabist movement.
 
Altair said:
Ever watch Spider-Man 2?

The scene where Spider-Man destroyed that Sun making machine and instead of stopping it continues to grow suck everything around it in? Doc octopus says it's self sustaining now and cannot be stopped?

Why bring this up? Because even if you take down the Saudis and cut funding to wahabism I think it might be too late for that. There are a couple of generations out there now willing to bring in disenfranchised mentally unstable young men teaching them how people in the West are infidels. This industry of terror, am afraid, no longer needs the Saudis to bankroll them.
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that's why it was so crucial to bring Iran back into the conversation and restore the internal balance of power in the region.
 
so this morning Trump painstakingiy details that he is still calling for the precise original TRAVEL BAN. that won't help his case.

and turns out that the nato speech included clear affirmation of Article 5....which donnie personally chose to omit without telling his generals. wonder why?
 
trump just used the bill-signing desk to make it look like he was signing an actual bill, when it was just a wishlist.

his petty fraud is embarassing.
 
MindzEye said:
Fair enough, though I think there's a much bigger bridge to cross from approve to disapprove than from strongly to somewhat. I'm not optimistic at the ability of the trumpanzees to change their minds in the face of any evidence.
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Nate Silver makes the point that the amount of trumpanzees is less than you think


1. These "Trump's base still loves Trump!" stories have lots of problems, not least that they misunderstand how he won the election.

2. Trump's base is ~20-25% of the country. Might be the plurality in a GOP primary. But nowhere near enough to win a general election.

3. Trump got 46% and won in November because most mainstream Republicans, and many independents who didn't like Clinton, also came along.

4. Trump is alienating those marginal Trump voters at rapid rates. They liked Gorsuch, Syria. They don't like AHCA, Comey, all the tweeting.

5. Paris was in between. 60% of Trump voters strongly approved his call (v. 81% of Clinton voters strongly opposed).

6. Overall, Trump's strong approval ratings are sharply down--from 30% in February to 21 or 22% today.

7. Good reporting needs to be able to distinguish between Trump's Bannonist base (20-25% of the country) and all Trump voters (46%).
 
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CH1 said:
Nate Silver makes the point that the amount of trumpanzees is less than you think


1. These "Trump's base still loves Trump!" stories have lots of problems, not least that they misunderstand how he won the election.

2. Trump's base is ~20-25% of the country. Might be the plurality in a GOP primary. But nowhere near enough to win a general election.

3. Trump got 46% and won in November because most mainstream Republicans, and many independents who didn't like Clinton, also came along.

4. Trump is alienating those marginal Trump voters at rapid rates. They liked Gorsuch, Syria. They don't like AHCA, Comey, all the tweeting.

5. Paris was in between. 60% of Trump voters strongly approved his call (v. 81% of Clinton voters strongly opposed).

6. Overall, Trump's strong approval ratings are sharply down--from 30% in February to 21 or 22% today.

7. Good reporting needs to be able to distinguish between Trump's Bannonist base (20-25% of the country) and all Trump voters (46%).
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All this means little unless the Democrats find a viable alternative for 2020.

I mean, it's unlikely that they find one of the most hated people in the country to run for them against trump again....right?
 
Trump will be most hated soon enough, Dems won't have to worry about it.
 
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